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V-man,

Sorry, but this -- "Setting aside my political and policy differences" -- is a howler.

You go on to list Obama's vices - in the most general of terms - without a single bit of anecdotal evidence to support them. Why? I'll tell you - because any anecdotal evidence will clearly betray "political and policy" differences.

Reading the list - I personally saw Bush II in every single one of them. The difficulty is providing evidence in anything approaching an objective fashion.

As an example - I suppose you mean by this -- "Bearing false witness against one's political opponents with supererogatory insults, baseless accusations, and defamatory charges." -- the charge that Bush trafficked in torture, among other things. But you cannot be that specific without betraying your political bias. So you generalize instead - as you always do.

I'm still wating for you to provide one example which legitimates your previous claim that Obama hates you.

Mint

Yes, he is bad. His pride is more important than the good he thinks he is committing. He would usurp the province of God in that he [thinks he] knows what better for your life than you do and will override your will to impose that "better life" upon you.

Mintosh: Obama doesn't hate V-man personally but he does hate white people--even those that love him. I'd go so far as to say *especially* those who love him.

He is devoid of a conscience and full of his own self-importance. Bad combo!

Mentos,

Obama is a politician by profession by choice. That his character flaws preclude him from transitioning from candidate to statesman is not an indictment of his policy prescriptions. And this "Bush trafficked in torture" theme? That's pretty much what Obama and his minions are claiming now, as they attempt to prosecute Bush personnel for Justice Department-vetted policies.

You're not thinkin', son!

NNTK!

Yes, Obama is some Bad Bad Juju for sure.

Ok Baldilocks. I'll make it easier for you. How about one specific example where Obama shows hatred for white people.

V-man - Huh?? You really mean to say that you have no problems with his policies - only with him, personally? I think I am missing something here. How - then - about an example of him failing to transition from candidate to statesman. I feel the old bait and switch at work here.

You know - I also really just don't get this arrogance meme. I just don't see it in Obama at all. Not a smidge. Does my liberal bias really make me blind to this? If so - then why do I see it so clearly in Hillary, Michael Moore, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, and a host of others that I agree with on policy. Beyond the fact that pursuing public office requires a great deal of ambition in and of itself - I really just don't see that Obama has any more than the next guy.

I really do make this next point with the greatest of reluctance (REALLY) - but I can't help but think that Obama as a black man is held to a different standard by his haters than are other politicians. That some people - for whatever reason - are only ever capable of seeing the "uppity negro."

Tiger Woods used to get a lot of flack for "losing his cool" on the greens - while those really paying attention saw example after example of the likes of Davis Love III and Colin Montgomery and David Duval engaged in far more outrageous tantrums. Again - he was the uppity negro, daring to stray outside of his element.

Barring specifics to the contrary - I'm afraid I really have no choice but to think that is what is going on here as well. Specifics - PLEASE!!

Mentos,

I have plenty of issues with Obama's policies. I chose not to address them in this post. I explicitly stated I was confining my observations to his basic character, or lack thereof. Although I believe it is the weaknesses in his character that define his policies, I did not comment on that.
As an aside, I don't recall Tiger Woods catching a lot of flack for losing his cool on the greens. That's a bullshit strawman and you know it. But when pressed for data you react like a typical leftist: you point from one partially black man to another partially black man and play the race card. That fucking canard doesn't play here, chump.

If a man can sit still in a church for 20 years of hatin' whitey sermons, it may not make him a racist. It may not even mean that he hates white people. It just means that he smells of the particular chicken coop in which he roosted for 20 years. Circumstantial evidence perhaps, but the stench remains very hard to scrub out.

If it was one post - wherein you refused to provide specifics - I could understand. But we are talking post after post after post after post. Apparently . . . you got nothing. Ooooh. Pooooor Meeeee! Obama just HAAATES me sooooo muuuch!

Actually - I really don't think it is race with you. I think there are two much more compelling possibilities.

1) - All of your problems with Obama actually do turn on policy - and you are just too willfull and delusional to admit it.
2) You're just trying it all on. You're just having fun. You don't really belive a thing that you say. At its best, you write quite well (better than me, I warrant). But push it to far and the cynicism will overwhelm you.

I'm leaning towards 2.

Finally - analogies are nearly ALWAYS strawmen. By themselves - they NEVER prove anything. But they can help explain a point. And apparently - my point was received (and yes - Tiger got tons of flack - but I'll have to get back to you on that).

My Dear Mentos,

Every item I listed is a factual event. I didn't feel the need to be more specific or footnote them because my readers are generally quite well-read, and I didn't want to bore or insult them. If any of the particulars I listed are unknown to you, I'll provide the circumstances. They are so well known as to be epic to the rest of us.

Again, I have a plethora of issues with Obama's policies. I also have a plethora of issues with his character, which is the subject of this tract.

Please stay on topic, young man. Focus!

Mentos,
I read that list, trying to use your prism to turn it back at Bush the younger, and I just don't see it. The only one I can remotely turn at GWB is "Ignoring the wishes of the vast majority of one's constituents with blithe, arrogant indifference", and that would only be true as the war in Iraq dragged on for years and the news media reminded us daily of how that was all his fault. However, this ignorance was not wholly unconstitutional, as the current president practices.

I find myself in total agreement with your post, V-man. Just dropped in to say that. 2010/12 cannot come soon enough. In 2010 we can cripple his ambitions, in 2012 we can wash the stench off.

That no good, lying, cheating, thieving, communist son of a bitch is rotten to the core and at this very moment, trying to bankrupt this nation.
Those who can't see it are either blind, stupid, or in lock step with with the criminal.

I have plenty of rope.

My Dearest V-Man,

Factual event? Look up these terms in a dictionary, would you. Nothing you list comes even close to being an "event" (leaving alone for the time being the more difficult term, "factual"). Now - maybe your generalities are derived from the witnessing of "factual events" - but then I wouldn't know now, would I - seeing as you won't share a single one of them.

"They are so well known as to be epic to the rest of us."

Ah - I think I get it now. You were preaching to the choir!! Have fun with that!! Dogma loves an echo chamber.

Mint

I am amazed by Mintosh. Most leftists would have dumped a load of verbal ordure by now. Since this has not happened, and Mint seems to be seeking truth it must be that he is about to shed his socialist skin and become a small c conservative. Welcome to the club!

"Genuflecting before cruel and tyrannical satraps in humiliating and degrading fashion."

"...craven attempts to curry favor with dissolute mountebanks."

OK, I'll certainly buy these. They're the ones that piss me off at the moment. How you feel about the other items on the list I'll leave to the reader's discretion.

But I will call bullshit on Dick ("I have plenty of rope.") You may not like Obama, but the distasteful fact is, he was elected according to the laws of this country. And if enough people don't like the way he is running the country (or running the country into the ground), then they are free to elect someone else in 2012. That system has served this country well for some 216-odd years, and I expect it will continue to do so until long after you and I are dust.

We the People generally get the government we deserve... and each party gets its turn in the barrel. At least Obama is a known quantity: a left-wing Democrat. With George W., you had someone who was ostensibly a Republican but who spent Government money like a Democrat, and who ratcheted up the level of Government intrusion in our lives to unprecedented levels... very much non-Republican values.

Me, I'd love to be able to vote for someone who would be more of a centrist. The Eagle has two wings, you know; he needs both to fly.

Elisson, stop being such a ridiculous simpleton and actually climb into the mind of the writer for once in your life.
I served this nation so free elections can and will always go forth. That will never change and for you to insinuate anything different shows a blatant ignorance of whom you speak.
The rope isn't for the elected officials as I only have ten or twelve feet, so please, explain that in a mad, yet very blind dash as you did in your earlier comment.
Now, go rescue the Constitution elsewhere, while I call bullshit on your faulty brain stem.

In other words, kiss my ass.

Gentlemen: please confine your invective to Mentos. He is my Freshmaker.

Fact is, Mentos has been up someone's ass so long (ever wonder why they keep them in those cylinders?) the smell is no longer minty fresh. But then, the little white tablets were full of shit in his case, to begin with.

For 20 years Obama belonged to a "church" which subscribes to Black Liberation Theology. According to James Cone, founder of BLT, God is in league with blacks over the "white enemy" and will bring about victory over that enemy.

But keep your delusions, mintosh. Some of us were never fooled.

"Insulting one's friends and allies by proffering deliberately insulting gifts, while returning gifts of immeasurable value."

Bad gift-giving (and receiving) is one of the "tells" for malignant narcissism. Narcissists by definition cannot empathize with other people and therefore can't think in terms of what the other person might like to receive.

Furthermore, their obsessive quest for the preciousssss (adulation) trumps all else: the narcissist will give an appropriate gift only if he sees it as a way to obtain adulation.

By the same token, they don't care much for gifts they receive from others unless they're directly useful to them. "The thought," which is what's supposed to count, never counts with them.

Ms Baldilocks, please don't soil yourself by stepping on this pile of crap. Minty isn't bright enough to comprehend that you've just handed him his ass; he'll be back to make nasty non sequitors in a bit and parrot "Bush lied" or something equally asinine while wiping drool off his mom's keyboard. He doesn't deserve to be crushed under your heel.

Your new book is my christmas present to myself, and I'm sick with anticipation. Hope it makes you a big wad of cash.

og, you're a doll.

We're in trouble though. Americans, I mean.

Ellison sez:
"Me, I'd love to be able to vote for someone who would be more of a centrist. The Eagle has two wings, you know; he needs both to fly."

Indeed. But we've been pushed so far to the left that we'll need to go hard right for a long time to GET to that center.

WTF? Stuff is just going poof?

Baldilocks and OG -- If reminding me of Obama's church is "Handing me my ass" - then you really do set the bar pretty low around here, don't you.

Now - to the point. Unless you think Obama is some kind of Manchurian candidate who is suddenly going to go crazy and start Black liberating all over white people any day now -- then in addition to referncing his former church, there should still be some other sign of this deep hatred for whitey. Something! Anything!!

Now - based on his history in this church - I can understand keeping your eyes open for that something untoward. So tell me - whacha got!! I'm listening.

Baldilocks and OG -- If reminding me of Obama's church is "Handing me my ass" - then you really do set the bar pretty low around here, don't you.

Now - to the point. Unless you think Obama is some kind of Manchurian candidate who is suddenly going to go crazy and start Black liberating all over white people any day now -- then in addition to referncing his former church, there should still be some other sign of this deep hatred for whitey. Something! Anything!!

Now - based on his history in this church - I can understand keeping your eyes open for that something untoward. So tell me - whacha got!! I'm listening.

Baldilocks and OG -- If reminding me of Obama's church is "Handing me my ass" - then you really do set the bar pretty low around here, don't you.

Now - to the point. Unless you think Obama is some kind of Manchurian candidate who is suddenly going to go crazy and start Black liberating all over white people any day now -- then in addition to referncing his former church, there should still be some other sign of this deep hatred for whitey. Something! Anything!!

Now - based on his history in this church - I can understand keeping your eyes open for that something untoward. So tell me - whacha got!! I'm listening.

I love it! Wingnuthead can sit in front of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, and it doesn't mean he hates white people. Good thing he doesn't own a copy of an Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh book, that alone would be adequate proof he hated black people.

What a maroon.

Once, twice, three times a moron.

I pity the white persons in denial about it. When the mintoshes of the world are rudely awakened, all the blindness, disbelief and ridicule in the world won't help them.

Og and Baldilocks - So - I guess you are both going with the Manchurian candidate theory - since you can't name a single thing Obama has already done to hate on you.

When that doesn't play out the way you expect - should I hold my breath for apologies?

He's given the Union part ownership of GM when they were the people who helped sink them, not to mention he's pissed away billions (40+ as of now) on GM and Chrysler. We'll never see that money again.
He wants a VAT tax.
He promised clarity, and he's had Pelosi and Reid jam shit down the throats of Americans.
Let me ask, are you too fucking stupid to breathe?
Or are you a wannabe communist?

"since you can't name a single thing Obama has already done to hate on you"

Man, he's even more obtuse than I thought. Is he too stupid to click on a link, Ms Baldilocks, or is he just ignern't?

Ah Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick (I just like saying that - see Reservoir Dogs) --

The conversation we are having concerns Obama hating him some white folk. That he has egnaged in enacting various Democratic policy initiatives (which he campaigned on, I might add) - is hardly an example of him hating him some white folk. We can have this other converstation - some other time (althouth I might note that Bush started the Auto bailouts - and didn't even ask for anything in return.)

Still waiting for something related to Obama hating him some white folk.

Holder dropping the prosecution of the Black Panthers voter intimidation case is probably the most blatant example of how BHO hates whitey. Of course, a white cop acting stupidly is a close second.

nah, jimk, he's right. Just because he sat, for twenty years, in front of a man spouting the most vile anti-white hatred ever brought in to a building masquerading as a church, that don't mean he hates white folks. Just like those folks who put on they sheets and go to Klan ralleys. They just misunderstood.

Okay shitbird.
What about the time a short ways back where he immediately blamed the white cop over the dumb ass black professor, without knowing the entire, or factual story?
That asshole's full of racial hate.
Hey, do me a favor.
Put your own name and address on a Post-it-Note and stick it to your fridge.

Ok - now were getting somewhere (it really is pulling teeth with you guys - see how its done, OG?)

Keeping score we have:

2 Gatesgates

1 Holder/BlackPanther

Sorry - but I'm not about to board up my windows and doors and saw off my shotgun just yet. H. Louis Gates is perhaps a bit of a loudmouth. But until I have been hassled by the cops for breaking into my own home - I think I'll with-hold judgment on who was the bigger man in that stand off -- and simply note instead that I suspect that each of us has gone out on a limb in support of our loudmouth friends at one time or another. That's what friends do. That might make Obama a stupid politician (finally, someone ready to throw a bit of caution to the wind) - but it hardly makes him a racist.

As to Holder/Black Pather - thanks for the heads up. Will do some research and get back to you all. Still - slim pickings I must say, especially given the level of rhetoric out there from the wing-nut fringe (are your ears burning, Glenn Beck?)

I didn't say that he hated me, mintosh. I said that he hated white people.

Nice, Ms B. You rock, as usual.

Vman, do you suppose mentos is so dense that he doesn't understand he's just being kept around like a turkey, fed and amused until thanksgiving eve comes?

Damn, yes, I guess he is that dense.

"Ah Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick"

Yep, I kinda figured you like dick.