Velociworld

Yes, dear, a long way to go.

Thanks for noticing.

Seriously.

Probably has more to do with the way both were raised...

I've seen it the other was as well (woman controlling the man)Culturally we're tolerant and accept both...I say different strokes for different folks...

I agree with kneecapping any guy who mistreats my daughter though!!!

"...when i was her one and only, why'd she go and try to own me? funny i don't feel as lonely, on my own" --another deft musician and commentator on the subject

It takes a confident man to own that mentality. (There is a shortage, unfortunately!)

Yes, thank you for that. Good to know that there a few men like you out there still. I managed to pull the pin on that particular grenade a good many years ago, financial and logistical considerations be damned -- was gratifying recently when one of my daughters managed to do the same and actually admit that it was because I and a few good, strong woman friends had shown her that she didn't need a man in her life to make her complete -- but let me tell you, I was THIS close to kneecapping this particular controlling fuck mydamnself!
Miles to go, indeed. The world needs more men like you.

Consider the possibility, ladies, that there might be a connection between V-man's wisdom on this matter and the fact he has two daughters. I share his enlightened view on the matter he's laid out here, due to having been brought up by a strong mother and having had six sisters. But even without that, ten years of daughter-raising on my own would have provided all the clues needed to get to the right conclusion.

Perhaps it's too simple an answer, but consider the possibility that the shortage Key mentions is actually of men who've had the right sort of family ties. And there may be more of them than are generally acknowledged.

Ah, wise man that you are, I figured out 17 years ago that I don't NEED a man to support and keep me. I do that on my own. I want a man (and have a pretty darn good one!) to be my friend, lover, and equal. I've raised 3 girls and 1 boy, trying to implant the same reasoning in their heaads too. So far, so good!

Wow! Did you know my ex personally? Because he said all of those things. VERBATIM.

Why do men become misogynists? It starts at a very early age, when their mothers let them do whatever they want and don't punish them for misbehavior. They tend to have very loving and generous mothers, but to a fault - mothers who cannot put a foot down and say the word NO to their sons. In the end, men like these turn on their mothers and every other woman they encounter through acts of disrespect.

Misogyny, misandry . . . what's the difference? I think we've seen scenarios illustrating symptoms of both in these here comments.

I'm consistently amused by women - well, make that "people" - who simply HAD to get shed of that Controlling Bastard before they could find themselves. Before they could prove to themselves, And To The World!, that they could make it on their own.

The amusing part, the funny part, from my experience is that most of the folks - women and men - who have freed themselves at some point in their life from some oppressive relationship never, ever realize that whereever they go, there they are.

The entire thing is just as amazing as women who will stay with-justify-blame themselves for violent relationship. This behavior is learned. And much of our pop culture teaches it every day and every way to reinforce the already culturally implanted virus in little boys' minds.

Agreed with sugarmama. Parents who won't say NO, who won't be parents and ride their kids, produce lousy adults be they man or woman.

The GM1 shares your viewpoint, to my great fortune. On the flip side, my sister is married to a guy who informed the GM1 that I shouldn't be "allowed" to have friends that weren't mutual friend with the GM1.
The GM1 (politely) told him to go piss up a rope.
They're out there, oh yes they are.

seeing how, after returning from my little sojourn into God's forsaken country, ive managed to piss off about half the civilized world and really dont want to piss off the other half, all i will say on this subject is the knife cuts both ways on this topic and there are a LOT of women out there who dont see that at all.

Well said, well said indeed!

You're a pussy.
Women control the world. The reason some of them get into abusive relationships is they like the thrill. My mother worked in a Victim/Witness program as a volunteer and quit because after a year and a half, she kept seeing the same women coming through again and again.
Women are mean. They are twice as likely as men to vote for the death penalty when serving on a jury.
Women have the best of both worlds. They have equal rights, but not equal liabilities. They don't have to register with Selective Service. If they are in the service and get called to active duty, 60% are, or become pregnant within 6 weeks. Six million men have died in our wars.
Women are never held accountable. They get away with shit that would land a dude in jail. From withholding visitation with the children to committing crimes against men, they are almost never punished. I recently had a client who had been arrested 8 TIMES for cutting her boyfriends, and 8 TIMES the charges were dropped.
Being a women is like having a free supply of dope with half the world hooked on crack.

Thank YOU! If I knew his email address, I'd forward this to my ex. I might just hafta try to find it...just for this purpose.
And, it's not like he wasn't a nice man. It's not like his mama raised him to be that way. He was just so friggin insecure with HIMself...there were so many things he couldn't control in his OWN damn life...that he tried to control MINE. And, THAT'S why he's an "ex".

If I had a dollar for every damn time he said something like:
"Why are you on the internet? Where did you go to lunch? I don't like your friends.", I'd be a rich woman.

This is her life in a box. He may ask "why can't you loose weight?" she responds... Why can't you be nice?">>> i've heard of this before one to many times. my heart bleeds for women like this. whosoever sees a woman mistreated please report... you may save her life!